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Sun, Jun. 12th, 2005, 11:04 am
additup: even imagined power corrupts i suppose

this has to be the stupidest thing i've ever had the misfortune of being part of. while reading thru some of my of fave sev/harry stories on some archive site i came across one that i KNEW i'd read before, but one of the main characters had been changed, i left this in the comment section:

you know, i've read this story before, but instead of an invented
Parkinson it was Draco Malfoy, down to the smallest detail it was the
same.
i really hope you're the original author and just decided to add a
little more to it, stealing someone else's story would definitely be about
the most pathetic thing i've ever seen in fanfic world.


a day or so later i get this email:


Hello,

We saw this comment you posted to Isidore's story "Longer". If you
suspect that a story on our archive was plagiarized - please contact us
by email or via our contact form (at
http://snarry.individum.com/submit.php?submit8) and refrain from posting
such comments to the public archive. In this instance, Isidore *is* the
original author of the fic you mentioned, and she submitted an edited
version to our archive. You surely understand how improper it is, not to
mention offensive, to see such a comment in this case.

We do have a very strict policy against plagiarism, but we prefer to
deal with it in the proper way. Again, if you encounter a fic/art that
might be stolen, please contact us and we'll clarify the situation and
act accordingly.

Thank you,

Page
Detention admin
http://snarry.individum.com


i replied with this"

that would be why i said i hope that she IS the author and such, i was
quite careful with my wording to make sure that i didn't accuse, but
inquire.

it was obviously the same story, to me, and i left my opinion in the
comments, just as i would with any comment... comments are supposed to
be about the opinion that the reader has about the piece, aren't they?
last time i checked not all of those were positive either. as it
*is* her story she/he should be glad that someone pays enough
attention to their work to notice something like that and with a 2
second reply clear up confusion. it was neither improper nor
offensive, it was a question and an opinion both of which are left
in comments all the time.


wonder girl just had to have the last word tho...

I'm sorry you feel the need to pursue this issue.

You did not comment on the story, you commented on the author's
integrity, which is something we don't allow here at Detention. I'm sure
you'd have appreciated it if you were archived with us. There's a big
difference between criticizing a story and questioning the author's
ethics, and I hope you can understand that.

Saying "I hope you're not a thief, but if you are then you're pathetic"
is not a "careful" wording. No matter how you dress it, it isn't
flattering - it's insulting. And it certainly isn't constructive. Not
all authors read their comments, and if a plagiarist did read it, I
doubt a comment like that would be helpful.

Like I said, we have a very strict policy against plagiarism, so the
constructive thing to do here would be to notify *us* so we could take
the necessary actions.

Page



and my cooment was removed. now, i'm not a writer myself, but if something that i'd written was memorable enough to be noticed by someone i'd be appreciatave that someone cared enough to ask, not have my moron mod friend try and start something over a COMMENT on a FANFIC site, one the also archived some of moira's work without her permission. i guess it's just proof that people are getting stupider, without even trying

Sun, Jun. 12th, 2005 05:17 pm (UTC)
isidore13

I have to say I neither know the mod nor asked her to reply to you for me. I wanted to reply to you myself, but had no way of reaching you until now. I did find it insulting - but only because I am the author of both, and did re-write the original version (and am also OMGSOSENSITIVE lol). I'm glad I'm a member of snape_potter so that I could finally set the story straight, so to speak ^_^. Please believe me when I say that I do appreciate that what you were trying to protect the integrity of my fic, and that I understand any insult I felt (please note the past tense) was entirely my issue.

Sun, Jun. 12th, 2005 05:28 pm (UTC)
individum

Wow. Your life must be really really boring.

Sun, Jun. 12th, 2005 05:31 pm (UTC)
isidore13

*giggles a very lot* thank you for standing up for me. I tried to do it myself but I couldn't find a way to reach her, and now I can't be properly rude back because I'm not angry anymore. *sighs* stupid lack of meenness. *giggles some more*

Sun, Jun. 12th, 2005 05:59 pm (UTC)
additup

this coming from the person that felt the need to AGAIN comment (that would be expressing an opinion, right? there's been some confusion there) on a non-situation.

yeah, my life is really really boring, if it were more interesting i supposed i'd have to archive stories written by the moderator of this community without her permission. that'd make it more interesting i'm sure *smirk*

Sun, Jun. 12th, 2005 09:23 pm (UTC)
individum

Posting our private correspondence on a public community is so unethical it's not even funny.

Be that as it may, please hide our email address or type it with spaces. We're being spammed as it is.

Sun, Jun. 12th, 2005 10:28 pm (UTC)
additup

right up there with archiving fics without permission, huh

and i can damn well post anything i want to, this is a community that I belong to, not you, and in case you didn't catch it, it's a group hatred of stupidity... and my OPINION of how you define COMMENT and ACCUSATION is that you're STUPID

go away and whine to someone who gives a fuck

Mon, Jun. 13th, 2005 02:44 am (UTC)
isidore13

Better yet, go away and whine to LJ. *smiles placidly* *winks*

Mon, Jun. 13th, 2005 02:55 am (UTC)
additup

you know what... fuck you, your whiney immature 'non-friends' and your borrowed characters writing, i was taking up for you as the original author for the whole bit, what a colossal waste of my fucking time.

Mon, Jun. 13th, 2005 03:29 pm (UTC)
individum

Thanks. I reported her to LJ abuse and they made her delete the email address.

Mon, Jun. 13th, 2005 03:35 pm (UTC)
isidore13

Good. Some things go above and beyond just being bratty. This was one of them.

By the way, I'm really sorry about all this nonsense. I hope you and Moopie (and whoever else mods over there at Detention) haven't been attacked like this at every turn! It's certainly not your fault that young lady couldn't be bothered to read the front page where it says clear as day that you inherited the fic from WtP and attempted to contact all the authors. *hugs* People suck sometimes, and I hope you don't take it to heart. I really love all the hard work you guys put into Detention, and I really hope a few wankers don't ruin it for you. ^_^

Mon, Jun. 13th, 2005 03:55 pm (UTC)
individum

Thanks. *smooch*

You shouldn't apologize for anything. I'm sorry she monopolized the fic search post for your fic, but thankfully Bella deleted her comments. We've never seen such a wank before, this certainly was new to us. I couldn't be bothered with it, as long as she doesn't expose our email to everyone and their little spambot too.

And I hope you don't take to heart the crap she wrote about you. She's not "a young lady". She acts, sounds and spells like a 12 year old, but she's infact a 30 year old mother to a child. Kinda makes you see things in a different perspective, doesn't it.

Mon, Jun. 13th, 2005 04:05 pm (UTC)
isidore13

It doesn't matter that much to me. I'm not even all that clear on what she was referring to. :) I am surprised to discover she's 30 - I would have expected better behaviour all 'round from someone older than I am.

Poor Bella! I apologised to her, as well... having to come home and find all that wank in her inbox! Poor girl, I hope her day wasn't ruined because of that!

I'm glad you haven't been bothered by wank, although I am sorry it was my fic that gave you the first bad experience. Wankiest fandom ever, really. *sigh* I tried to avoid it but it sucks you in, you know?

Mon, Jun. 13th, 2005 04:15 pm (UTC)
individum

It wasn't your fic, it was this person. This is the wankiest fandom, true, but this wank is really one of a kind. You can safely ignore it. Don't let it get to you. Just keep writing. ;)

Mon, Jun. 13th, 2005 04:29 pm (UTC)
isidore13

Thanks :) *hugs*

Mon, Jun. 13th, 2005 04:39 pm (UTC)
saiane

Hello. I'm the friendly moderator of this community and this has gotten completely out of line. This community is a place where you can rant about whatever the hell you want and contrary to your miguided belief, there never was an e-mail address posted in this entry. You obviously didn't read it all the way through and assumed that she had left that information in.

The first rule of my community is this: We do not tolerate arguments here. Debate is all fine and dandy. I love debate, but keep it out of the name-calling zone or else I will be forced to ban everyone involved.

This certainly qualifies. Stop. It is especially heious to go and hunt information down about our members and slander them. I'm sorry for whatever LJ drama brought you this direction but that is not my concern. This is something I do not allow in my community. This is not a politically correct community, it is for the express purpose of ranting about something you find exceptionally stupid; buzizzle did that.

Mon, Jun. 13th, 2005 04:41 pm (UTC)
saiane

As moderator of the community, I would like to clear up this issue - there never was any posting of an e-mail address in the original post. I don't think they read the entire post and just assumed that it was there. I never saw any e-mail address after it was originally posted yesterday.

Please stop prying into the private life of my community members. This community is here for their use to rant as they mostly see fit. If you would like a chance, please join.... if not, please cease and desist.

Mon, Jun. 13th, 2005 04:46 pm (UTC)
isidore13

I was... prying? All right...

Actually there was an e-mail address. It was buried in the text of the first e-mail from Page to buzizzle. I'm sorry if you didn't see it, but the fact is, it was there until buzizzle removed it after being requested to do so by LJ Abuse.

Mon, Jun. 13th, 2005 04:50 pm (UTC)
individum

Just ignore.

Mon, Jun. 13th, 2005 04:52 pm (UTC)
saiane

I apologised for the e-mail thing as I apparently missed that completely - which to me signifies that it was dealt with by LJ Abuse in a timely manner so please, do not take this any further.

Mon, Jun. 13th, 2005 04:51 pm (UTC)
saiane

Well, then it was taken down in a timely manner if I did not manage to see it so it should not be more of a problem than this. I apologize on behalf of my member and I will rectify the rules to include this as something not to do in the future.

I don't think it is polite to hunt down information and start talking about a woman and her child that you do not know in a community. It seems to be a personal attack and this is the internet, please refrain.

Mon, Jun. 13th, 2005 04:56 pm (UTC)
isidore13

But I didn't hunt the information down, nor did I talk about her child (her child has nothing to do with anything at all). I talked about her, yes, but we were already talking about her. I'm sorry, I fail to see why I was prying at all. Explain it to me more clearly.

Mon, Jun. 13th, 2005 05:01 pm (UTC)
saiane

No, you weren't the one who hunted down the information about her but you clearly took the information and and proceeded to insinuate that she was a horrible and childish person.

I do not tolerate this being done to members of this community when they were just posting something that was bothering them, perhaps wrongfully - but what was erred was fixed.

Mon, Jun. 13th, 2005 05:26 pm (UTC)
isidore13

You're right. I did insinuate that she was childish, and in turn behaved childishly myself. I apologise, to you and her.

I did not intend to insinuate that she was horrible. I am a teacher and I work with children; I don't think of childish behaviour as being anything but immature - and there's nothing wrong with being immature, no matter what age you happen to be.
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Mon, Jun. 13th, 2005 02:15 pm (UTC)
additup

and now i've moved up to getting an email from the livejournal abuse team b/c there was a copy af an email address, one that's for a web site that these individuals maintain in the email that i posted in my rant here. any way you look at it, it's just bullshit and some little child playing grown up trying to look superior, it'd be funny if it weren't so pathetic.

i'm half temped to add to this all the comments these 'rule abiding' LJ people posted in a fic search from another community that have been deleted, they're still in my mail, but i figure you have to deal with the real thing all day, why read about it as well
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Tue, Jun. 14th, 2005 02:03 am (UTC)
engineerinhell

Exactly.